This week, we're discussing S1 E14, "Penultimate Patrol"! We'll discuss the origin story of Mister Nobody, introduce you to our favorite character, "Danny the Street", and dive deeper into motivations of Elasti-Girl and Jane.
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He's got like he's carrying this like box of stuff and he's meeting a woman and this is his wife Millie. Oh yeah. And she's like how did it go with brother? She's I think she's reading a newspaper with a brotherhood of evil, the headline on it and then she's like how'd it go with the brotherhood of evil? And I'm like that's a little redundant but funny. Um and he sits down and he's just like, it did not essentially like the most awkward way He's like not, well they fired me and she's like, what? How could they fire you? And he's like, well considering that the brotherhood of evil, um they, I'm glad I didn't die. They replaced me with a monkey, a gorilla -- and -- she's like, they replaced you with muscle. No, like a literal gorilla. He speaks french monsieur, Mallah. -- He eventually becomes the brains lover. -- Are you? I mean like they were intimate but I didn't know they got -- from that. -- It's a sean fact. I don't know if it really how detailed they got on the shelf. They never got more than like they were a little closer than a boss and a subordinate. But like but they're together all the time. They're obviously like, but they're not obviously together, you know, pulls out some of these things and she's like unique or he pulls out some of his inventions, one of which is a diagram of like it's like a red robot looking thing and that comes up later in the episode. So if you watch this, keep an eye on what it looks like because you might see it again. Um And then his wife, Millie comes up and she's just like, no, no you have to go back and you have to go ahead and get your job back and he's like no you don't understand when the brotherhood of evil lets people go. They generally kill them and they don't think that -- I'm a threat -- either physically or intellectually their words. Yeah. And so his wife is like, you're right, you don't really have um anything and I'm the only one -- who believes you and I'm -- chasing after you like a puppy, she says. And then there's this, they have this argument very publicly in the restaurant. People are looking at him and as she li and and she uh they get to the door and he's like, I can be a somebody and she's like, no, you're just a nobody. He is dumped and fired on the same day. Also in the scene, they pan out as she's leaving the restaurant and there's a couple who's sitting in front of them. -- Did you see what the old -- guy did? He mouthed Oh well, so that the second time I went through that, the second time I saw the episode and every time after that argument, -- I looked down at the old guy and he's just like, -- oh, well, that's so cute. Okay, well you can see why he's crazy. Hey, let's cut to a, the, they have a school, they have a school van that they painted gray. -- It's the Doom Patrol school bus. -- Yeah. Road trip. -- That's what I wrote wrote to. -- Yeah. And they have coordinates to find this guy who was looking for the guy who they're looking for is called the beard Hunter. He eats a person's beard and then you can find them. It's gross. It's disgusting. They make it overtly sexual. Yeah. -- And I don't know if we need that, but it's pretty funny. -- Yeah. They make it overtly sexual, but they also like, -- like everything looks really gross -- when -- when he like -- licks it, -- like -- sniffs it and it's like wet mouth stuff and he gets it from like a drain a drain. I mean you guys, there's I mean, I would I would literally rather lick a toilet seat then eat anything that came out of the drain because anything that would touch a toilet seat is something that would get stuck on the hair in a drain and it just sits there and gets slimy and the proteins break down. And if you're not absolutely grossed out by the beard hunter, you've got it wrong, have relatively long hair and it's also very curly. So when I brush it out in the, in the shower, like there's clumps that come out and that's just normal -- for curly hair -- because your hair is very long. -- So it's gonna look like a lot more hair is coming up, -- right? -- It's relatively thin hair. So it's it's you know, it's -- fine, it's fine hair. Um But like every time I've had to like pull hair out of the drain, it's always sickened me. So whenever I pull it out, I always stick it to the shower wall and then I just like clean it all up and -- throw it in the trash -- and then you don't have to pull it out of the drain, right? Or by some chemical that's going to melt it, which is gross. It's just, I mean that that was a nice little attention about the beard hunter and how he's gross anyways. Okay, -- so -- but they are looking for the beard hunter um and they come up there just like in this very rural area, they got a lot of trees and everything and then they happen upon a random street. -- What's the street doing here? -- That's just a random street. But this is actually a teleporting gender queer sentient street by the name of Danny. -- Danny. The -- best character on Doom Patrol. The Best. Okay, so there's a couple characters I would 10 out of 10 hang out with right? Yeah. -- 20 out of 10. Yeah, I would find -- Danny. Oh yeah, -- I would hang out with and -- I would I would live on Danny if they were consenting. Yeah, but they seem to be consenting there. Like if you want to find yourself, if you need a place to become who you are, come live on me. They are part uh they were actually introduced in the 80s before they had such terms as like gender queer and they would have like their shops and stuff on the street would be like gun shops and stuff but it would be like all dressed in frills and and girly things because the the only reference that they knew to kind of convey this was transvestism or cross dressing and so they were trying to make it queer without -- like having the language -- and even back then they were a favorite character for the comic book, everybody loves Danny the street. It's a sentient pocket universe. Imagine a multiverse, but that is aware that it's a like it knows that you're inside of it, they know that they're inside of it, right? -- Uh Sean has a couple of additional -- love you Danny. I don't know, they don't make enough merch for me to buy it where I can wear it and have it on my body, but I want it. Danny does most of their traveling at night when no one is looking when they need to be transferred from one place to another. Danny is also portrayed as gender queer using they them pronouns and their name is upon on a drag queen Danny. Larue. Larue was a french uh french name for the street. Daniel Larue, Larue, O B E. I think I found out that O B E is a british title for when you've done a lot for the state or the community was an irish singer and entertainer. -- Best known for his onstage drag persona, -- lovely -- Danny -- has a rich, beautiful history. -- Do they do? -- There you go. We all are awkward about it. Here's the thing about being awkward about pronouns by the way, people just in case as someone who has struggled don't per separate if you end up just correct yourself, you can do a quick, sorry, like if you say Danny the street, he sorry. They that's all you need -- that shows -- that you weren't intentional and that you would like to continue the conversation more correctly. And that's all anybody. I mean, anybody I've known who has any kind of queerness who recognizes you doing that, he's like, I'm cool, let's go on. You hit up. Everyone has, but the cruel people have like come around to it and they're just like, and it's it's a different level of queer like of of it's not like people are being cruel, but people will come around to like, they'll overcorrect, you know what I mean? So they'll be like, and this is my experience and I don't know from an actual trans experience, but from from what I've seen, like somebody, it's much more irritating for somebody to be like, oh, you know me, I've just known forever. They give reason as to why they made the -- mistake -- and I'm not I'm not interested in excuses. I mean that it exists. And if you'd like to have a conversation, but you're just stalling what we're trying to talk about, bye. Not just being like, oh, sorry. -- And then going on, -- I've mis gendered myself even as recent as this week. Yeah. Speaking as the cat. I think we're I was doing I was just saying something for a pitch. But I said he for for me, so I caught it, but you corrected. So we moved on in the conversation because first of all we're talking for a cat and we're not being terribly serious, but it's it is a it's a difficult thing to uh just yeah, so if we fudge it up and we correct ourselves and move on, that's the correct model, I think so. Don't feel bad Danny, the street wouldn't wouldn't be mad at you. -- Danny would still let you live on them. -- Right? Like in fact, Danny is -- Danny -- is so cool that the first time you meet them, uh a member of the Bureau of Normalcy is coming in to gather information and when Danny can kind of see that this individual is maybe not as straight as they appear. Um you know, Danny kind of entreats them. And like, even though this person was gonna like, you know, come in and do like, you know, essentially, you know, come in and try and get Danny into the Bureau of Normalcy. Danny's just like, thank you for giving us a heads up on the fact that people are outside our borders and they want to come in and get us right now, we're going to teleport right now. -- And just like that, that is how forgiving Danny would be. -- And then that character -- morally corrupt is a drag queen -- morally corrupt. Yeah. And I don't I mean like you don't see uh you don't see him in or you don't see that drag queen -- in this episode, -- but I don't know if if he identifies solely as a he or if if he is now identifying as a sheet but that's not the point of the character. It's that Danny is so accepting that they were able to come in and become who they are fully. Whereas they had been in this regimented governmental normality -- place -- bullshit. Sean would also like to point out that the yellow, white and purple and black flag that Danny lowers in one of these scenes is to to half mast is -- the non binary flag. -- Nice. I like the non. It's cool looking. Yeah. Yeah I like the transplant. I like all the flags but like I mean did you know that like the whole L. G. B. T. Q. Plus a flag spectrum of things. I've spent hours like scrolling and looking at them and like reading the little descriptions and there's a bunch of, there's so many, there's hundreds, right? Um And I do not feel that way about countries flags. I'll be like oh great, that one's green and white. That's great. Oh those ones are vertical stripes. Okay, that's great. Okay now we got to get back to the episode so I could talk about Danny forever. My favorite part went um when rita confronts Danny? -- No she's confronting, she's -- yelling. Yeah. Okay so uh the Doom Patrol come into the into this uh into Danny street and um they're just sort of like they're kind of, they don't understand what's you know what all of this is, but Larry who has been here before kind of says, oh yeah, this is Danny, uh they're a non binary ah sentient street. And so -- um -- but then but then flex has been there too, and he's like hey, -- they're like hey flex house door -- house, dolly, dolly. -- And and and he goes we lost her, -- right, oh, and like when they first show up there's a wacky waving inflatable arm to man that just goes -- up -- because they're waving yeah, and then flex says that dolly is not here anymore. And you know, he goes and hugs the wacky waving inflatable arm, two men. And then um and then Rita points out the Beard Hunter whose name is Ernest and she's like Ernest Ernest -- and then she marches, but she's very proper, -- yeah, and he kind of like hides himself and that's when Rita confronts him and it's just like where's the chief? And um he's he's uh you know saying you know I was trying to find the chief and I couldn't but I got I found Danny found me instead and got me off of the beard hair, -- so there's also treating it as like this addiction, -- which makes sense. And he's much less creepy now. Yeah, but then Cliff and jane get ahold of him and this is where we see jane's another one of jane's identities, Hammerhead and she he's got the earnest Beard Hunter has his groceries and she pulls out bananas. Rita, however, says she goes cliff do something unpleasant and he like punches his groceries and then Hammerhead grabs the the bananas and she threatens him with tell us what you know about the chief -- or I'm going to shove these bananas -- your but up your butt peels on, they start doing that and then he's like, whoa! -- I know where, I know where, I -- know where Niles is and Larry is just like, you could have told us this the entire time. I was scared of Mr nobody. -- Yeah, and -- at one point Rita's really mad and she's just like, we went all the way up a donkey's mustn't touch it. -- Yeah. Which -- is now what I'm gonna call my butthole. So yeah, they get um Danny to kinda confess that. -- Then we cut back to -- daddy drama daddy drama Silas wakes up. Um -- Did -- you notice? I wonder if you saw this? And I know we got to move on, but like his injuries make him look like his son. He's got like the whole side of his face, -- like his son's whole side of his face is now like -- it's that Yeah, his vics left side is the one that has the uh that has like the cybernetic cybernetic stuff. Um And Silas is left eye is like bulging because he's been repeatedly punched and it's still very present and I like that about the the makeup is that they don't like have it go away after like a day or so it's still there. Yeah. But also I think it shows them both being blinded in a way that's similar and that's one -- of the things they have to come to the -- right and um so Vicky is like apologizing, he's like you know I should have just done what you said, I should have just had kept grid in and and I wouldn't -- have been taken advantage of by Mr Nobody Silas is like -- well -- there's -- more to the story that you should know and then it cuts back to they -- have -- to they have to like go into where Niles is and where is he Danny? Uh He's in the white space and then cliff no cliff it's um flexes like oh I know where that is and they're like what? And he's like hold up comic and he's like you see these spaces in between the panels, this white space, that's where he is. He's in the gap in narration, you know? And uh and he's like I can get you there -- for that. -- I have a flex for that which means like it reminds me of my me trying to explain to grandma what weird flex but okay was one of the best afternoons of my life, Okay grandma, -- somebody's like I have 1000 rubber ducks and you're like weird flex but -- okay he embodies that she got it but she's promptly lost it and yeah doesn't she don't need it. Yeah. And so he's like, okay, so you have to do is focus on the white space. -- So they all hold hands -- and so they all hold hands and they focus on the white space and he flexes his muscles. -- I -- don't think it's that, I don't think anything's happening. I do feel something is what rita says. And then you hear -- like everyone starts to freak out and -- and and cliff is like, what is going on? -- Cliff flex? Doesn't know what's going -- on, -- what's going on? Oh well he doesn't, he doesn't, -- he doesn't know. Right, Right. No. Right. But um, but then jane screams out, -- oh jane screams out -- we're coming man. Because when he flexed his muscles, he flexed the wrong one caused everybody and everyone including Danny orgasm. It's hilarious. They're all adults. -- Let's just put that out there, which is really nice. -- Yeah. Um Also, if you just, if you just want to, it's really hard to really go over bit by bit on this scene and it really is something you just need to watch. So if you go to Youtube typing, put on private and put, put it on private browsing if you want to, it's on youtube and go to do a search for Doom Patrol wrong flex. -- It will probably be the first thing that pops -- up -- and it's, it's just like -- every hilarious, all of the reaction shots, Danny going crazy. Like it is a delight. They have this old lady and like a floral dress with a little, you know, scarf on her neck and she's on a walker and they show her having an orgasm. -- They -- show there has been an under representation of queer and women, people's like orgasm in on screen and this, this, this scene makes up for a lot of it. -- And for -- all the diversity on Danny, the street, everybody has a diversity diversity of o faces. But we should mention that the Beard Hunter, like sidles up to a guy with a beard and without touching him because he does not have time or capacity to ask for consent, just proceeds to ogle his face. Dude doesn't seem mad about it. No, he, like when everything when everybody's done, he Beard Hunter pulls out a cigarette for the guy and then -- pulls out a cigarette for himself -- and they're both into it, they're super down. -- Uh so, um, and then -- we've had a group orgasm. Let's go back to daddy drama cheese and crackers, I swear. So, um, Silas essentially admits that he both vic and his mom were in a place where they were both technically alive after the explosion, but they could only really save one with, and it seems like what they were going to do is um, used the uh, their lease nanobots in cyborg and they were going to use those for, they could have used them for uh for one and because of the fact that Vick's mom was older, Niles had um convinced Silas to use it on vic because Vic was younger, he was in much better condition. Um and Silas still said no, I'm not going to do this, but then Niles said it's what she would've wanted, which is actually true when you kind of like, uh not just in the flashbacks that you get in season one, but I think in like season three, Vic has a heart to heart with his mom and she's like, yeah, that's what I would have wanted and I'm in a good place right now, so don't worry about it. Um Any parent would tell you yes, I would rather die than have my child die in my place. I'm sure there's the odd parent who's a total dick who's like, no, no, kill the kid, -- right, Disney villain parent, -- but it was, but the reason why Vic is so angry at his dad is because Silas let Vic think that it was vic's fault for killing his mom and at no point did he correct him? And he just kind of fed into that memory. And Vic is like, you didn't just mess with my body, which was kind of like the reason why he didn't like his dad in the first place, but he like, kind of, you know, understands it to a point, but it's more the fact that his dad messed with his memories and then he's like, I got my own family to uh I got a family who cares about me and I'm going to go and -- my -- chosen family and he marches away. We cut back to Danny -- and this -- is so apologetic and everything So sorry. Um but then at one. like why why were you screaming cliff? You don't feel anything? -- Yeah -- that was the thing we didn't mention Cliff is like looking around and seeing everybody -- having this orgasm and he starts faking an -- orgasm and he's like I had too much respect for you to not take it. Which sounds like something you'd tell a lover that like you were -- like no no I just he -- does get back to the hole. -- He was, he was afraid that he was getting left out. -- He got to you got to the truth. Yeah. -- I don't think I'm not I wouldn't be mad -- about it. Um So let's go back into memories. Memories. Oh no they go back into memories. -- So flex the right muscle -- right? They go into the white space and then they get stuck in memories. Na na na na na breakfast. Na na na na na set for the movie nana loony bin cheating den. So this is before everybody gets their powers and its idyllic sort of this is like before they really have to and grapple with their own personal issues. Alan Tudyk is now narrating and he's just like and now you're at this place where you, you you you know, you don't have to experience what you did before you you get the life you want, I'm giving you everything you want, you don't have to suffer that this is all just before the traumatic event, -- right? When they thought back when they thought their life was perfect, -- right? Um You know, Larry is still in the closet with uh you know, the idyllic family, he's got this um you know, big, big thing that's going to, you know, get his career up and going, and he's gonna, he's essentially going to be set up for life. Um and then Cliff can go ahead and he's not tethered to his family, which in the first episode you can kind of see is like, maybe not something that he was really happy, like, his marriage wasn't happy um and -- being -- in the nanny banging the nanny and still being a racecar, rockstar. Um And then Rita is, she's got her, she's the lead in a movie and she's doing all good and everything. Uh jane is probably the one who doesn't have the most going for -- her because she's stuck in a mental hospital and -- but it's before, -- whatever happened in the mental hospital really made her fracture, -- it was before, it wasn't before the fracture, it was before she got the jab in her neck that gave her superpowers and Oliver identities get powers as well. Um but we don't see that because he's not there. But this is a moment where everybody is kind of grappling with like who am I and who do I want to be? And so -- yeah, this is right where they think their life pivoted -- right? And Rita is in her dressing tent. Um and someone comes in is like you know Rita, we gotta you know, -- start this movie and uh -- that creepy guy with the arm who makes you feel weird? We fired him. Yeah, back in the first episode when we're seeing everything or maybe it's not, it's either the first or second episode, I think it's the second episode actually. Um She's faced with the fact that she had uh someone on set get fired simply because he didn't have an arm and it made her feel uncomfortable, right? -- Which echoes her whole problem with her own deformity, -- right? Um But it also echoes the fact that she isn't perfect in Hollywood and like like that was before her deformity actually took place, but it echoes her stance and kind of where she's been stuck ever since then. She's just she feels like she feels like she is not good enough and it makes her feel so uncomfortable that she just wants to hide away from the rest of the world. Larry is um at a place where he he uh is you know with his family, he's in this idealized uh you know, place in his life and if he if he doesn't leave his family, doesn't, if he still stays tethered to him then you know, he can still live the lie that he is not actually gay. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean like, I think, I think jane feels safety -- definitely -- where she's at. I mean like even if you if you found have found a comfortable space, like it's that whole bird falling into a pile of crap, it's warm right now. -- So I'm going to stay here because I think it's -- safe, but you're not really safe there. And and I think I think that we have spent the last, I don't remember what episode of the is it like episode 12 or something, 13, something like that. -- We've -- had 11 other episodes of them all like painstakingly going through all of this. It's what nobody was yelling out at the end of the last episode. He's like all of this self indulgent, inward looking, finding ourselves both, and now we finally get to get to the action and so like they're all like, they're like, oh I could I could choose not to do this, but all of them are like oh four of them are like, oh no, I'm better because I went through this because I stopped uh denying myself because I started believing in myself because I had a reality check that made me -- a more mature person. -- Do you know what interpersonal skills are? -- What does that mean? -- Okay, -- I just told you that was a joke like the other ones I mentioned earlier. Oh -- yeah, yeah. -- Yeah. -- It was -- it was interpersonal. -- It, what does it mean? -- Like -- what does it mean to have an No, no I was I was calling you, there was a common and I was calling you. So it's an interpersonal. -- What -- it's interpersonal, there's interpersonal which is how you can communicate with other people intra personal is how you see yourself and how you can identify the things, the bad, the bad habits in your life that are ultimately kind of tearing you down and stopping you from progressing through your life. Like you know Rita does not see herself as being this perfection that she has in her room. Just all of these posters of how she looked back in her heyday and she can't really let go of that because of you know what happened to her, but also because of the fact that she's like even though I look good, I'm not a good person on the inside. So her having that moment with old guy Ed Asner and uh and and like recognizing that you know she has never really been a good person but she recognizes that you know there and that's the whole thing when you have those those those big issues that you take that you have in the past and you kind of work away from them. You recognize that I was full back when I was a teenager and then you work away from that as an adult that is having intra personal skills intra personal, -- because you're looking inward -- and thank you for illuminating that to me because I was like, I didn't hear it, I heard interpersonal and I was like, I know how to and that's why I called you but intra I'm working on, so I appreciate the correction, -- but -- like everybody is like kind of going through and this is the interesting thing, you could very easily argue that all of them before they had their they got their powers became meta humans. They were living in a situation that was just trauma after trauma after trauma. And part of it was because of the fact that they were feeding into these bad habits, but also because of societal pressures, the expectations that were put on them. Like Cliff was expected to be in a happy marriage and he wasn't in a happy marriage and like, I'm not trying to say that his wife was abusive or anything, but not being in a happy marriage has to cause something in the way of trauma. And so you're reliving it by not getting out of that happy marriage. Well, I mean, he had self destructive habits that lead to his unhappy marriage. Like I'm not saying he's the little cause it takes two to tango, but he was not helping anybody with what he was doing and all of all four of all five of these characters really have only had these perpetuating self harming behaviors. They've they've been introspective, but not in a helpful way. They have main character themselves into this terrible place. But what is great about this scene? What relieves my anxiety, not anxiety, what lets me release the gas that has built up until now is they all turn around and are like, nope, And then and they all decided to leave the scenario which they had been designed to be to stay in -- for their own edification, their own gratification, -- right? Writing wise, they don't do it right away, they're like, -- they're still kind of on the fence at the beginning -- to dance with it. And I do have to watch Brendan fraser, humble lady, I don't like it very much. In fact, I might have just cut that all out of my mind, Right? Also, I like how they how they wrote jane in there because she was like, like Hammerhead just comes in and she starts taking, like jane scenario is that she's in this mental hospital and she's boarded up a room barricaded the room and with all these chairs and when she hears the narration from uh mr, nobody Hammerhead her identity that has super strength, you know, And it's also, like, really angry, she she pulls everything off, but jane like wrestles back control and she puts the chairs back and like, no, no, no, we have to do this because we are we need to keep people safe, We need to stay in here for ourselves and Hammerhead is the one is the identity that is like, nope, -- this is when we got uh this is when we got a bite to our -- bark and I love it so much. This is where we got our powers that help us protect the girl and that's all we're here about. I love that part which they all march out into the night or whatever, and then they're in the void with rita and all we see is Rita in the void. Well you don't you want to come back from some daddy drama? Yeah, well we already we already talked about the what goes on in the scene. So I wasn't gonna talk about it again, cyborg has the same revelation without being in a magical voice. Oh, do you see how he did that without being manipulated by dr nobody. Which probably would have worked with him again now that I'm thinking about it. Um he was just like, no, I needed to have this. I mean obviously he doesn't want his mom to die, but he's like, if it had happened any other way, I would not be at the place where I am where I recognize what needs to be done and you're a dick for for messing with my mind because that's what nobody did, and I don't need that, I need people who love me, respect me, communicate with me, Guess what? I have a chosen family, I got to go help them now. And that's when he marches out and it's in reflection to what happened to the other four. Except there's this kind of magic and his is like very solidly real. -- Which is totally in line with this character, -- Right? Very good. Thank you for pointing that out for you. So Rita's in the void and she hears mr nobody narrating -- for her and she's like -- this is what reminds me of -- you about -- her because I would be like for narrating for me, you're they're lost in the void forever to be sad in the wandering, no -- nope, -- nope, nope, nope, I'm gonna march forward -- and I'm gonna find my -- friends, what are you doing? -- I'm narrating my own -- life. Yeah. Go lydia. Lydia. -- She -- she doesn't say it as Crash, she's more prim and proper, but she does say and then suddenly everybody was back together again and it's not just like the Doom Patrol, like Niles shows up and everybody is like where's jay? Niles says she you know jane, she comes in her own time. Um And yeah and so they find mr nobody and he's just like, you know talking about, I like that when he walks in he's like cliff goes really? You looks like a real dweeb uh he goes into his like interdimensional form and he's just like this is the big battle and this is this how you're going to defeat me, jane shows up, -- Jane doesn't show up. -- That's correct. Doctor Harrison shows up. -- She is scary spice -- right there. And then this is why I love Diane Guerrero so much is because of the fact that you can see her switching between jane between Hammerhead and between Dr Harrison, and it's all these different personalities that she has a great actress, you know, just puts out there in the universe and we you should just put her in everything, She's great, -- okay. -- But um and so, Dr Harrison says, why do you need to fight? -- And -- I could be in charge of this whole streaming service if I want to actually rita showed that That isn't true because she was able to narrate her own life. -- Just like, there's so much self reference that it's just beautiful, -- right? And and then she says, um what exactly are you hiding from? Or do you have a problem? Or is it that you have a problem with women? And that's when we see Millie show up and say, you'll just be a nobody. And then he reverts from his Interdimensional form to his human form. And then I love what? I love what Cliff and Larry say, it was like you got you became bad because you got dumped, -- understandable and relatable -- Larry. Larry says -- basic -- Mr nobody's like, I'm not basic. And the Nile shines in. No, you don't want to you are basic, but you want to be original. -- And then it just is like they're they're tearing him down and he's -- he goes full red interdimensional form and then cyborg shows up and Pao's him and he's like he's like don't talk, don't condescend to me, right? But then he gets poofed out and they're like what? That's it? And cyborgs, like he said, not to patronize him or whatever. Do you do you notice that vic isn't wearing? So in in the last two episodes, vic's been wearing an orange jumpsuit -- from the in form -- from the ant farm. Is he wearing the orange jumpsuit right now? He's wearing a red outfit, but maybe he had time for a costume change. Maybe he had time for a costume change, I don't know. Um But it doesn't matter. Mr, nobody's defeated. And they're back in the house one year later, -- It's -- okay, so watching this my now here's the thing, it's been like the better part of a year, if not more that I've watched this, right? But my first note is it's too perfect, right? And then I'm like there were did you notice they're wearing matching outfits? -- Never in any episode are they wearing matching -- outfits? -- Rita -- is always prim with these fantastic prints and she's wearing a blocky less pretty I would say, but like but red and white print. And um they all show up in some sort of, -- even if they have like an outer jacket or something like that, -- a red and white theme, which back at the episode, Doom Patrol Patrol, um they showed -- they show the original Doom Patrol and they all have red and white -- outfits, -- so -- it's a callback to that. But also the dialogue is so stilted, like they got the camaraderie, they're like, oh, we have to go and get ready for a for a meeting. -- And I've -- Been down here since 10 minutes till always setting an example Rita. And um jane says, do your powers give you the ability to go to put your nose so far up his, I'm just back from my run. That's vic. And yeah, and then uh and and now it's like, oh, -- we got to do this meeting and and Larry says, -- or do you mean breakfast, chocolate chip pancakes? You ate all the chocolate chips yesterday, alarm goes off. It be such a we have to go find the emergency. It would be such a shame to waste all this beautiful food. -- And she walks away with the platter -- and it's just like, make sure you hold on to your own bacon. Right? So then the grade school bus van pulls up to the Doom van, What are we calling this? The Doom bus? -- Doom Patrol bus -- pulls up to a park, and they're like, is it that thing cut to Cliff says, is it that thing? -- And it cuts to a -- giant red robot, which is kind of similar to the to some of the different things that mr nobody or eric morden had when he got fired from the brotherhood of evil, -- there was a tiny little red robot -- problem was none of them saw that flashback. -- It was just Us. -- Yeah, that was solely for the audience. Yeah, So um they're like, well rita's like, oh, -- as long as the regular people are okay, and then -- jane says, -- or actually it's hammerhead, and she says the regular people, -- right? -- And that's when they get zapped, -- they get killed, -- they get they get particularly zap, -- oh yeah, okay. And then the entire scene happens again, but instead of getting zapped, they get stomped and then the entire scene happens again, but instead of getting stomped, they get rocket blasted. And in all of these scenarios when they get killed, -- Niles is looking onward and he screams no, and then it's this whole montage, -- okay, this is the order zapped stomped blasted, stomped, vaporized blasted, stomped, zapped blasted stomped blasted stomped. The, what I would say is this is a montage of them constantly getting killed. And but it changes with each time there's a loop. And so like you hear some of those little jabs coming back, like, you know, um let's call it what it really is, breakfast, you stick your nose all the way up is um or and then there are moments where you see Niles like crying, no, in different, like different ways and there's a song that's playing over the entire montage, it is Perry como s hot diggity dog diggity. Do you know how it goes? -- Hot diggity dog diggity boom. -- What you do to me? It's so new to me what you do to me. -- So, it's just like montage of their death over and over again, -- terrible. But it's also a callback. Go ahead. -- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cliffhangers. Cliffhangers, -- Cliffhangers. My whole okay, what is it a callback to? It's a callback to the episode Doom Patrol Patrol, in which the Doom Patrol, like, I think their last mission was fighting this giant, but that played perry como is hot diggity. And it was like, it was causing everybody to go insane and like, you know, uh cut people open and when they did there would be pinata, it would be like a pinata and there would be candy on the inside, and it was I mean, -- it's a call back to another episode, so, like, what is -- that? Is that when Mr nobody was introduced? No, this was this was back when you knew Mr nobody had taken Niles. Um But the original Doom Patrol was fighting the brotherhood of evil. So, like, throughout the entire season, you kind of get this feeling that mr nobody is working for the brotherhood of evil, but then you find out um in this episode that in fact he got fired. So and but but like it's Niles figures out what's going on and he's like I don't think we killed Mr nobody because and that makes sense because which actually makes sense because there's the giant robot that eric wanted to make. There's the callback to when um the brotherhood of Evil used a perry como song in this uh and I think like there's something about the scenery in this scene where it's like the the landscape where everybody is is just you know bright and colorful and they're running on this green field and it's similar to the Greenfield that the original Doom Patrol actually used. So it was like Mr nobody was saying um I'm trying to be like the brotherhood of evil in Miles in Niles mind. Um And but I'm going to be successful and I'm going to kill the Doom Patrol over and over and over. And that's why Niles is like oh I don't think we killed Mr Nobody. Yeah he's such a genius that he sees the crack in it and then -- Vic shows up behind vic -- right? And this is a vic who was like in that orange jumpsuit, the one that he was in for the last two episodes. -- Yeah I wonder how how long they were in that -- loop. -- Yeah because -- it doesn't seem very long. No but it's in the void and you know, Mr Noble, you can control it anyways there are two vics -- in the in the thing they do say like didn't we get rid of? Mr nobody last year. -- Right? But like what's the actual time, were they in the void for a full year? Did they just feel like it was just a year long. I've had dreams that felt like they were a lot longer than they were right? -- Like you've had a five minute dream that was like a year of your life or -- whatever, -- feels like a -- year. -- Do -- you remember that episode of the of The Doctor Who was the Capaldi episode? -- Where he where he eternal his way through the unbreakable thing. -- Yeah. -- That's -- terrifying. Yeah. -- It's kind of like -- never give up because soon you'll stop breaking your hand against that guy. Unbreakable wall before you get eaten by the beast. It's a terrifying episode. And it ends up being like this this loop that gets he gets it Yeah. To capture his most deepest secret or something like that doesn't matter. And this time in this place in this show it's just torture. So the reality that mr nobody has made fractures so that now they're all back in the white space again. Did they ever leave? But um before but when mr nobody has actually revealed joven wade starts playing Mad Scientist and I love how he plays it up. But just as an actor because he he starts like laughing like oh turns out the vic that killed Mr nobody was me. And he starts maniacally laughing and it's so it's so -- delicious that g -- i of him ballooning into from this kind of slight well built but like this slight uh younger black man into -- this older white guy I guess it's weird looking but it's good -- right? Um Also I like it when shows have actors play um like okay so when you have a show like this where you have a multiple cast and like you do body switching episodes that it gives the actors the ability to change their like uh show their acting chops on how their their other characters would work. And it's like I love it. Like I don't see it enough and I feel like I'm constantly jonesing for it. You've watched all of The Good Place? No, okay so now I have a reason to watch The Good Place. There's this character named Janet and she is the she's she's not a girl, not a robot, okay. But she's this all they are, you know, she's a she she is not a girl but she's a she has all of the knowledge of the universe and can provide it in the afterlife like that, right? Like she just blinks it into existence and at some point she becomes and I don't wanna give it away but she becomes each of the characters who are in the good place and ted danson, I was watching the actress whose name I don't remember off the top of my head but she was like she was watching Eleanor is the name of the character, Janet was watching, Janet was being Eleanor, Janet was okay, but the actress Janet was playing, what's his face, the filipino guy, Jason, Jason, Jason mendoza, she's okay, so she's Janet's body was Jason Mendoza talking to Janet as chidi and right, and and uh Janet, Chiti was like, I just, I can't be with Eleanor and Janet, Jason was just like, oh man, I'm just Arizona trash, garbage, blah, blah, blah, I can't block, you should really think about and then he goes, you're not Jason, you're Eleanor pretending to be Jason and then it's Eleanor Janet and she's like, look ted danson watches this scene and and he goes, Janet again, I can't remember her name off the top because Janet is doing a really bad job of being Jason and then she goes, and then I realized that it was Janet actress later pretending to be Jason by pretending to be ill in or so there was like -- three -- layers deep of it and she was phenomenal, Okay, so when you say you love, well I love it when actors are, where in like a body switching episode where characters go into different uh different uh different characters bodies and then the actors have to act like in this case where um uh jovian wade has to act like Alan Tudyk mr nobody, yes, I'm just saying that in this good place episode, -- it's three layers -- deep of that and it fooled ted danson an amazing actor. Good. He was just like, my God. And I'm like, if you make him say that. So, was she actually like trying to what was Eleanor? Excuse me, was Janet trying to make fun of the other characters. -- Okay, -- so Janet was just the body. Oh, okay. And so the personality was put into Janet. Eleanor's personality was in Janet. But Eleanor wanted to check Janet to trick Janet Chiti So, Eleanor Janet -- I had to pretend to be Jason Janet. Okay, so -- there was like, boom, boom, boom, amazing. I'm just saying that if you like body switching, amazing acting, that's one of the best things I've ever seen in the whole of my life. It's worth watching all four seasons Lydia, because you're not going to tell me which one I'll just google it later. Fine, -- but let's be back in the white space. -- Okay, fine. Uh so Mr so it's big reveal. Mr nobody uh they never left the white space. Mr Nobody threatens to keep them in there doing this loop constantly forcing them to die and let Niles watch. -- Unless -- what will set you free. Niles what will set you free and you see them start to sweat. -- The truth will set you free and -- they're like, what? We've all been very truthful, We've all come from these very painful places. You can say anything to us. Niles Niles, you can say anything you want us because we have realized that what has harmed us has brought us to this moment, we are stronger together. I'm paraphrasing and putting in my own words and we, I mean like you're one of us, Niles, we love you so much. There's nothing you can say -- that will fill this up -- and then I'll says the one thing that set up, it's really kind of brilliant. Yeah. He's like, I'm the reason that all of you got your superpowers. And then he elaborates. He goes, I caused every single situation that made you who you are, which means he caused the car wreck. It means he caused the explosion. -- It means he released the gas, it means he broke jane. -- No, he didn't. He injected jane. He was the reason she got the shot. Yeah. And he was and we also know because of the earlier in this episode that Niles was the reason -- that vic became cyborg -- instead of his mom instead of -- even though -- it would be the morally correct decision, right? And also, it's interesting because let's see, let's see Rita was the first, she's the oldest. Um, then you have Larry and then you have jane and then you have cliff and then you have vic, if you have ever like, like I'm, I'm, I'm from a relatively large family out for I got three older sisters. Um, but you will see, um, as, as the youngest, I see my parents making mistakes with my older sisters, that they don't necessarily make with me. And so I feel like even though Niles had messed up on all of them when he gets down to vic, it is the morally correct. -- He's trying, -- he's trying, he's not just like, oh, we gotta science up this, -- which -- is what he started out with. Like, I mean later on in the next episode, you do see like, um, you see Niles point of view and when it comes to like Larry, he, you can see him like, yeah, we got a science up this bitch, go ahead. And he's a, he's a, he's a soldier. This is what he's made for. This is what he signed up for. Um, and so you see the progression. Um, it's, it's disjointed and you don't see it linear, linear, but you do see the fact that, you know, Niles is, is trying to be a good person in the same way that he knows he messed up with his, with his, with his kids, so to speak. And uh, you know, he's trying to make it better. -- And -- then lydia, what did you do to me, cliffhanger? I love you so much. I can't believe you left me here. I could have done other, I could have chosen other episodes. I wanted to do television episodes and my original thought was to do therapy Patrol and Danny Patrol. No, but not Danny, but I love both of those so much that I couldn't find you no fault with them. And I feel like these are these episodes are more down to earth and they're more along the lines. -- You want to do the data episodes. I -- don't understand the data episodes. -- I -- understand the data. Great. I should watch those with you. So that way you can educate me or we could just watch red dwarf. I'm gonna make you watch so much red dwarf explain so many red dwarf scenes on this podcast. So that's not the end of the show, -- but that is definitely the end of this episode -- of this part of whatever. Now we get down to our if we have any remaining sean facts. Oh, just really two minor ones. Um One of them is that Rita was a olympic medalist for swimming before she became an actress in the comics. And uh in the comic book Scooby doo team up issue 43 the Doom Patrol teamed up with the mystery game. -- Nice. That's -- it, Scooby doo is canon in this universe and they haven't used that yet. -- Re -- right, okay, well then, shall we just get to it? Shall I? Yeah, I I can start with my shocked. -- Let's do it. -- Okay, okay. Um, so my shocked moment is probably the influx patrol in the last scene that we see with Rita and Vic, I don't really like the dialogue because vic is so um he's still he's on the fence about putting grid back into his uh into his body. Eventually rita convinces him using like you know uh you know mr nobody's bully and we have to fight back and that sort of thing. -- I just I feel like Vicks come around is just sort of like okay he's a -- bad -- guy -- and I really just think that for how good the writing is, this is one of the this is the weaker point in the two episodes because of the fact that Vic could have very easily been like yeah I I know that we have to stop. Mr Nobody I'm just I'm really worried about putting grid back in and then Rita gives her whole like speech about like she should have been like look vic, I I get that you are worried about grid. And you know if you don't want to go ahead and install grid again then you know we'll find another way to find the beard hunter. Um And left it less as like Rita has to convince vic and more like I was like no no this is just gonna be the easiest way and I'm probably going to have to install grid again just to you know, you know function. Um And I just would have preferred dialogue that leaned more towards like vic coming to the realization of like no this is something that I need to do and -- his -- subordinate narrative is too strong especially in this episode. Um And as and it would have led more to his character of saying like you know, he's trying to find his independence throughout the entire show and he's he's kind of like waffling in this episode because he hurt his dad and his or in the penultimate Patrol, he heard his dad and he's like, I don't know, I should have just listened to you, I shouldn't be like, you know, independent and everything. And then when his dad confesses what he did. Um So even though it's like the boring parts of the of the episode for you, it was still like, it's still, to me was like meat on the bone, it was still like a good like if you have chicken and mashed potatoes -- metaphor -- and you have just like the like grilled vegetables, like sauteed vegetables, you know the way that your mom makes them with no seasoning? Um And butter. Yeah. Yeah. And you just have like this, it's like a it's like a like Doom Patrol to me is like, it's like a it's like a feast like christmas dinner. But but it's not all junk food. You also have like all of this healthy food that tastes good along with it. Yeah, it's just that this dish happened to be like reheated frozen vegetables which are fine, but if you haven't dressed them, they're just plain microwaved vegetables. That's what it feels like and I complained so hard about it that my shocked moment is do I have daddy issues. I hated those scenes so much. I mean like I know I have daddy issues. Most of us do. Um we have issues with all of our parents, that's the human condition. But I every time they showed up I was like vic is obviously a goody goody. He's gonna come around to the side of the righteous like it's going to be fine. His dad is probably more complicated character, he's gonna have done a douche thing. But he raised such a good kid that he probably did it for a noble reason. We just don't know what that is yet. And it just was like no no no no no no no no no the entire time and it made me want to scream into the void. That's that's valid. And also that's really good intra personal uh -- skills thanks -- Gold Star John How About You? You Gotta Shocked one. I it's hard for me. It's been a while, it's been a couple of years since I've seen the whole season together. So it's hard for me to remember exactly how much influence. Mr nobody had before the eventual meet up in the penultimate patrol. But I would have liked to have seen him interact as other people more than just really with rita. I think that if he had kind of nudged more of the characters leading up to the pen ultimate and the white white void. Then maybe it would have given a little bit more uh angst within each character when they do finally meet up. It just it kind of seems like it's a very one on one um challenge between mr nobody and Chief and that the other characters aren't as invested in that meet up. But yeah that's valid too because like I'm for how little like Rita and Larry interact a lot together, Rita and Vic interact a lot together but Vic and Larry don't really interact a lot. Cliff and jane are pretty much attached to the hip but they don't really interact with anybody else. I mean you see like jane you know uh you know give give rita some some like ribs every now and then but you don't see them interact on like a friendly basis. I mean like I think later on in the season and the and the other seasons you do see them interact but um season two was cut short because of Covid and so you don't really you see more of how they're interacting with Niles daughter Dorothy spoilers. Um Yeah so so what was your applaud moment jen? Oh man um I'll just applaud anytime Danny the street is on just even if it's not Danny the street, -- if it's just Danny the -- brick, How many conversations did Danny start? You know? Yeah I started the one with morally corrupt started I mean when Vic and Larry got um got back on there. I mean maybe maybe we should just do an episode where we're just talking about Danny, we could, what I meant by conversations is who watched it and was like, this show is awesome. What the hell is a gender queer, non binary sentience ST what is that about? And somebody had to be like, okay, well you see a street doesn't have a vagina or a penis and if it had to choose, it wouldn't choose either. So it doesn't, it doesn't have a gender, a gender that in fact they don't want to be gendered so much that he and she are not preferred. They would rather them or they, when you refer to them, you use them. And if you want to say they are going to do something, you say they and yet is somehow not a sexual, not participate in the art. Well, you can experience an orgasm and not be not be sexual. I misspoke definitely not a sexual because of the strip club or the peekaboo lounge or whatever. Peeping toms cabaret of something. I mean, definitely has a number of sexual people living on there. ST polyamorous. Maybe maybe, I mean, like doesn't necessarily seem to have a sec would, does not have a sexual relationship with everyone on the street. I don't on themselves, but like, um, I mean, could if they chose to, I suppose it doesn't matter has the ability to orgasm go you Danny and here's the other thought that came to me about specifically if Danny is that it could have pretty easily been interpreted the wrong way as in like everybody's got to have some kind of gender identity and be queer in some way they've got to be snowflakes. And it doesn't end up being this like, um we're putting this in as a mock to anybody that has a unique identity. That I mean, that does happen when people will as if you if you watch enough um Law and Order late in the nineties, early two thousands and you know, you get to see all of these one off victims and they've all got, you know, things and then one of the cops will make some, you know, dumb remark about, oh, she she was a prostitute. We prefer the term sex worker, but I'm quoting of a made up scenario in my head. She was sex worker, turns out she had a little something extra in her knickers -- and then she deserved to die. -- Don't you mean shim? Yeah. Yeah. Funk. -- That -- era is a really good portrayal of just someone -- who's non binary -- and everybody loves Danny the street. And that's why I'm saying a good conversation because mom who's watching it with kid number X is like, uh yeah, no, I love Danny the street. I don't get the pronoun thing, that's the conversation that needs to happen a positive image, even if it's a non person entity, would you like to hear my applaud moment -- it -- goes thus Your Gentle Caress of the 4th Wall? -- Ha -- ha ha I love it every time they break it every time. Every straight to camera in this show is not and I am one to hate on a straight to camera. If it's bad, you've heard me say it, I don't like to watch The Office jim is a sociopath and I will say it again, he messed with people that I liked and thought for a girl that wasn't his and not in her time and his straight to cameras make me wanna hit him in the throat. However, Alan Tudyk can enter my life and be a peripheral, peripheral character and everything. Every time I do something cringe e he gets straight to camera for me and be like, well, that's the thing that happened and I'd be like, yes, alan, it was the thing that happened and I would accept that event with a lot more grace than I do now. Have you ever seen dollhouse? -- Yeah, that -- was the villain in in that um and that, I mean, that is a josh josh, -- josh Sweden show, so it doesn't hold up, -- but well, it doesn't hold up, not just because of josh Sweden, but because there's a lot of iffy stuff like I really, I I justified justified um liking dollhouse when it first came out. I liked it too. But in retrospect, I'm like, that is awful. That is like what their it's what um it's what scott adam scott is doing in Severance, have you seen Severance yet? The idea of separating your working self from your real self is problematic at best. And so, like they explore in, if you get a chance to watch Severance do it, it's amazing. But that's the problem with Dollhouse. If you're not there, you're not actually consenting. But the thing that I was being positive about liking in -- that -- show Tudyk in that because they have to be him. He's inside of these different bodies -- and stuff. -- People are doing Alan Tudyk compressions. -- Yes, I -- don't remember that -- compilation of, -- it was probably a Youtube compilation. Yeah. And like that in and of itself would have just been gold for me. But obviously, like, like I had to justify my reasoning for Dollhouse to such a degree that I completely missed out on something that I absolutely love, which is people pretending to be evil talent. Evil Alan Tudyk. So my applaud, -- Tell, tell, tell, -- excuse me, excuse me, kitty, I will not be excused. So, my applaud is um how big the world feels with like, just little things like Sacred Heart's uh steve Larson. Um You also uh it doesn't feel as insular as it could. Um And so it feels just a lot bigger than it has to um and it's just these little like moments and it also like gives, like for how serious the character development is. There are these moments that kind of break up the seriousness with laughter. Like a guy with an untrained velociraptor on his shoulder gets shot by a nazi devotee. Not only is is um Cliff Steele Like this famous race car driver, but he happened to be on the soap opera that is the obsession of hero 27 in our -- series -- And that makes sense because he was an 80'scar driver and it doesn't feel out of place. 80s was full of cameos that didn't make any bloody sense. Also like everybody on Danny's Street when flex does the wrong flex. You see like so many different oh faces. It would have been funny with the four of them, but you see it like encapsulating everybody and so it makes the world feel bigger than, than I think other shows make it and it's just such a high point for me. Yeah, -- that is a -- delicious applaud moments. You are absolutely right. -- Num num num num -- num wow. -- End of May, -- A two episode, No, a two episode of the show we were watching part that's probably like, what do you say? -- 34 parts. -- Well, yeah, it depends on how much we were able to trim up and try to get it um to kind of balance out between each week and each and they're all finding this out at the end. -- Yeah, -- you made it through May, it's the end of spring and and we're going to be going into summer. Oh yeah, by the end of june you'd say right, like mid june, late june, I always count summer as being -- june july and august because that's like summer -- break september october november. Always feel so foolish. And then you get like thanksgiving at the end of all and then you get christmas at the beginning of winter and then february is always still cold and then -- margin spring and mayor, you know, -- the weather doesn't line up, but your math does and I like that. So a plotters. How do you like that? You're gonna watch some Doom Patrol Patrol? Have you already watched all the Doom Patrol? Maybe? Maybe you've just binged it throughout the month of May in accordance with everything that we're talking about. And you're like, yeah, the Data Patrol was great. -- It was good. -- I'm gonna have to rewatch it. -- You don't know enough about absurdist humor. -- Yeah, -- I'm gonna -- have to watch it with you and then you're going to pause it and be like, this is what this means. No, no, I won't. I'll just explain, I'll just reference other. I don't know how to explain it. That's the whole point about dadaism anyways, but like totally, I think this is a spectacular choice. Um feel free to, hey, if you get a chance to leave us a review, like our friend movie reels, real movies, real movies with a Z. I don't think that's it. It's something movies with the Z. Wednesday, Cool movies with a Z. Awesome movies, cool movies. 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Not like the literal dying of people, but then the movie, the movie Yeah, more said about that raccoon than I am about titanic. I watched that movie nine times. -- Same here. -- I cried every time. -- How many times did you see it in the theater? -- nine times. I've only seen it like twice out of the theatre. I saw it eight times in the theater, cried every time. Yeah, I'm not proud. I talked a lot in the theater back then. And uh, I 100% when she's like, I'll never let go jack my like How old? And my 12, 13, 13 or 14 year old was like, what do you think you just did you at this screen? I hate me for that. But it's on, it's on, it's on, it's on character